Warm and Fuzzy Statistics

“The average student takes 8.2 years to get a Ph.D.; in education, that figure surpasses 13 years. Fifty percent of students drop out along the way, with dissertations the major stumbling block. At commencement, the typical doctoral holder is 33, an age when peers are well along in their professions, and 12 percent of graduates are saddled with more than $50,000 in debt.”

Pretty picture, isn’t it?

These statistics are quoted by the NYTimes from the National Science Foundation; ordinarily I would check up on the original data, since the NYTimes has proved itself unreliable every single time Sydney and I have bothered to check it out, but these facts are the same ones we have heard throughout graduate school.  This is the point where my parents start to think really hard, “Try not to faint.  Try not to faint.”  But I wanted to offer a few reflections:

1)  Sydney and I attend one of the few institutions in the country that will fund us.  Fully.  Although it’s still true that the researchers on the science side of campus may get something like $10,000 more each year than we do, Cornell has promised us full tuition coverage and a living stipend for five years, as long as we keep up our end of the bargain.  Plus, being married, we can pool our resources and . . . buy lots of books 🙂  Just kidding, but not really.

I applied to a few graduate schools that were well-ranked, but that didn’t offer great funding, and I remember thinking, “Okay, you let me in just to hit me with the fact that you would expect me to live on nothing but an I’m-in-graduate-school high for a year, and then have me teach three classes each term until I graduated while paying me below-poverty-level income?  So much for this being a moment of celebration!”

The funding enables our departments to expect us to graduate in five or six years.  Without that kind of support, I’m not sure how you’re supposed to graduate in a reasonable amount of time, barring those with independent income.  That’s why there’s so much pressure on getting into good grad schools: we need them to have enough prestige to offer us funding while we study.

2)   Full funding aside, it’s important that we teach while we’re here, not simply so that the university doesn’t see us as a financial black hole, but because we need to have teaching experience on our resume to a) prepare us for our future job and b) convince colleges of all kinds that we will be useful to them in addition to our research skills.  Most places that have job openings in this country are very small, undergraduate-oriented colleges that don’t, frankly, care if we can do research.  They need someone who can teach, and teach well.  Without spending some of our time teaching, we would have a resume that would be useful for only about 5 jobs in the country, and for which there are smarter applicants.  I also think it’s important to confront the teaching/researching tug-of-war early in our career so that we can start trying to juggle them now, rather than later in life when the pressure is on to do really important research work.

All of that aside, Sydney and I have each had a classmate drop from the program in their first year here.  I also don’t want to be too smug about success, since the dissertation is the big hurdle and it’s the one part we haven’t done yet.  But I intend to be ready to graduate in five years, barring unexpected health issues and such.  The question then, of course, will be whether we can move on with a job or whether we will need to stick around for a sixth year to take a second shot at the job market.  The numbers from the New York Times don’t scare me because they pale in comparison to the job market hurdle.  But more on that as we get there 🙂

Erin

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7 Responses to Warm and Fuzzy Statistics

  1. Lisa says:

    “barring unexpected health issues”… or babies 🙂

    -L

  2. fustianist says:

    True, very true. But even with baby time taken into consideration, I expect to go on the job market in year five; most people in my department do even if they only have two chapters out of five completed. Surely, surely I can get that done!

    Erin

  3. Lisa says:

    Interesting. I think it’s difficult to do that in my field – most jobs require a Ph.D. in-hand by August or whatever. I do know a guy (actually, I’m visiting him on Monday) who started a post-doc position in Jan, but hasn’t finished his dissertation yet. His advisor (whom I’m collaborating with now) said she strongly recommends against doing this, since it’s really difficult to finish once you’re pressured to work on other things. *shrugs*

    -L

  4. fustianist says:

    Yeah, very difficult, but I think general wisdom has it that more than one go on the job market (first time selective application, second time all-out) is the way to go in our field, which means that you don’t want to have the dissertation done the first time around, because you will need to have a reason to stay in the program another year 🙂 But yeah, somehow we need to have it not quite done for the job app to make sure we still have a home at our school, and yet we all want it done before beginning the job. Amazing!

    Erin

  5. highnegatives says:

    Funny you mention this… We had a huge discussion about debt and job expectations in our professional responsibility class a few weeks ago. I think this article captures the bleak picture for law students, who generally walk out with no less $50-60,000 in debt: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Personally, my debt is going to be over $75,000. I’m at a public school (I believe US News called us a Bargain School), which ranks in the Top 25.
    –heidi

  6. fustianist says:

    Yes, although, as all of my lawyer friends have rubbed in recently, I get the stipend now as consolation for the fact that academia will never pay well, whereas your employers intend to make you forget about that loan very shortly.

    Erin

  7. Heidi says:

    Actually, I think the point of the article is that JD grads actually aren’t making as much money as we think they are: http://www.nalp.org/content/index.php?pid=522

    Nonetheless, we are still carrying huge debt loads. Additionally, loan repayment programs for lawyers who want to do public interest work are decreasing in number.

    It was a little off-topic to this post, but I did think it was interesting.

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